College Dean: |
cshenkle@udel.edu (Cindi Shenkle) |
College Undergraduate Committee: |
seraphin@udel.edu (Seraphin,Anthony) |
Department Chair: |
SCHUELER@UDEL.EDU (Schueler,George
Frederick) |
Department Undergraduate Committee: |
krogers@udel.edu (Katherine Rogers) |
Submitter: |
krogers@udel.edu (Katherine Rogers) |
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PHIL465 |
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SENIOR
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SENIOR
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Fixed:
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Fixed:
3 |
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No |
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6 |
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Standard |
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Standard |
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No |
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Yes,
all sections. |
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Lecture:
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Lecture:
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Senior
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Senior
Seminar |
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Various
authors and themes; e.g., Plato, Kant, epistemology, philosophy of mind.
RESTRICTIONS: May be repeated once for credit when topics vary. |
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Various
authors and themes; e.g., Plato, Kant, epistemology, philosophy of mind. |
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Open
only to Philosophy Majors and by permission of instructor. May be repeated
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Justifications: |
Justify
the need to initiate this course. |
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Identify
and justify any effect on other courses in your department or in another
department. Specifically list other departments chairpersons and/or faculty
consulted and summarize results of discussion. |
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Identify
the main emphasis of the course and indicate the nature of the change. |
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Outline
how this course addresses one or more of the 10 goals of undergraduate
education. |
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how this course relates to the overall program goals. |
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Supporting Documentation: |
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Instructor Reference: |
Katherin
Rogers |
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Discovery
Learning Experience |
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Context: |
Research
experiences |
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Justification: |
Explain
how this course is an experiential learning experience and how it involves
out-of-class and beyond typical curriculum instructional experiences. |
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Emails:
Dear Prof. Morling,
(I do not speak for my chair here, just for myself.) I am dismayed at the committee's decision. I am not sure how you define "real world". Someone studying law might go to a law office for an internship, and I assume that would count as a "real world" experience because there, instead of just studying law, you work with real lawyers who are actually practicing law. But the law office is a very distinct culture and not part of most people's "real world". The senior seminar is relevantly similar in that in the course the students participate with the professional philosopher working on his or her research. Now it is true that, unlike with most other professionals, almost all professional philosophers live and work at universities. If the "real world" is, by definition, outside of a university, then there is no "real world" where professional philosophy is done.
But professional philosophy has an enormous impact on the so-called "real world". To take an example close to my heart, recently pop philosophy -- to be distinguished from PROFESSIONAL philosophy -- done by certain scientists against religion has had a big impact as evidenced by the NYTimes bestsellers lists. But then, of course, you need the professionals to point out the weakness of the pop philosophers' arguments, and real philosophers on all sides of the religion question have been weighing in. So professional philosophy has a broad and deep impact outside of the university.
It seems to me to do a disservice to our majors to insist that they take a DLE course, but then to argue that intensive training in the actual practice of professional philosophy -- work with a real philosopher on an ongoing research project -- cannot count because it is not "in the real world".
I do hope your committee will reconsider.
Let me know if you have further questions that I might be able to answer.
Thank you for your time,
Kate Rogers
Hi Beth,
My chair sent me the following which bolsters my argument from yesterday:
"Experience" in philosophy CONSISTS OF working on philosophical problems. Conceived of in that way, 465 fits the DLE definition fine. Here is a quotation from the DLE FAQ page:
What is Discovery and Experiential Learning ?
While there are many definitions in the literature, in their most basic forms both discovery and experiential learning is [sic] learning that takes place when students use their knowledge and skills acquired through traditional classroom experiences to discover, for themselves, effective actions, alternatives and solutions to situations and/or problems that occur in “real-life” contexts; that is, contexts that are unpredictable, where problems and situations are complex and lack clear definitions. These contexts are primarily outside of the classroom, but may occur within a classroom experience, as long as the student learning goals of the DLE are achieved.
--Also--
It occurred to me that my Senior Seminar "Freedom and Science" for this spring fits the description above brilliantly. I am working on what free will means for philosophers, experimental psychologists (some of whom claim there isn't any free will!) and the "man on the street" (presumably at least the last of those three lives in the "real world"). We're looking especially at the (ridiculous!)claims to have shown experimentally that people don't have free will, a claim that has been making its way into the mass media (NYTimes, New Yorker...) and even into the court room ("My client is not guilty due to universal determinism.") So this is a really pressing "real world" question. (Most philosophical questions are, but in this case the application is extremely obvious). If you'd like to hear more about what we'll be doing, just as an example of the "using the skills you've developed in solving "real world" problems" aspect, I'd be happy to talk to you or the whole committee, about it.
Thanks again for your time.
Kate
P.S. I hope you'll be sending my e-mails to the whole committee. I can write an official letter if that's the more suitable form of response.
Thanks so much considering our case!
In response to the question of whether or not all Philosophy courses are DLE courses, perhaps a case could be made for that. In any philosophy course students are led through problems and, one hopes, they will absorb the issues and think about them on their own. Unlike, for example, in the study of literature, when you study philosophy, you DO philosophy. And good for philosophy, as far as I'm concerned.
What is special about the Senior Seminar is that students are actually helping the Professor with on-going research. That might happen in another class, but it is the standard in the Senior Seminar. So, for example, right now my students are reading what I have done so far on a book on freedom and science. They come in to each class having written a short paper on what they took to be the strongest and weakest points and then we discuss it. They are also reading some of the literature which figures prominently, and then, for about the last 2/3 of the course they will each write a 10-15 page paper on a topic of their choosing based on my work, and present it to the class colloquium-style. This may lead to my citing them in my work, or possibly even to co-authored articles, though it is too early to tell at this stage. So, what makes the Senior Seminar especially appropriate for a DLE course is that students are participating in the creation of some NEW philosophy in a way that
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they would not be likely to be doing in other courses, and the class is largely driven by student effort.
I hope that answers the questions.
Kate